tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post7427978738042491955..comments2024-03-13T03:27:50.582-04:00Comments on Smart Football: Saban on Tebow, the Gators' OChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204245083374821812noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-19624034464154166632009-07-29T19:34:32.783-04:002009-07-29T19:34:32.783-04:00Tebow has an absolute rag for an arm. And his mech...Tebow has an absolute rag for an arm. And his mechanics are God-awful. Could he eventually be a decent QB in the NFL? Maybe. Is it worth the effort and money to build him into one? No way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-61914093443675769872009-07-29T14:34:00.362-04:002009-07-29T14:34:00.362-04:00Townes- "Will the linemen and linebackers rea...Townes- "Will the linemen and linebackers really be that much faster, bigger and stronger? Look at SEC defenses. They're full of NFL players."<br /><br />Oh god yes the NFL players are vastly superior, Les Miles aside, the SEC is not the magical 9th NFL division. The SEC has not even constantly been the best conference in college over the last decade or even the last few years. Last year I would argue that the Big 12 and the south division specifically was the best football in college. There have also been years this decade when the Big 10 and Pac 10 where much more top heavy and better than the SEC. The SEC is just a very good conference year in and year out nothing more. <br /><br />"I think that you're underrating Tebow's throws. He isn't asked to throw deep outs, because it's not necessary in Meyer's system. It's not like Tebow can't sling the ball."<br /><br />I have not seen him make a good 7 yard out pass that would not be picked off or defended in the NFL either. He relies on jump passes more than any other recent big name college QB that I can think of. And the underrated slam, he is left handed.<br /><br /><br />Deaux - "Regardless, the kid is one of the greatest competitors ever and I place him at worst among the top 10 players in college football history."<br /><br />This is when the arguments just fall down for me and feel the Florida/SEC hype machine kicks in. I will grant he is a great CF player but I can think of several college QBs alone from just the past 20 years that have been as good if not better, Matt Leniert and Vince Young both instantly come about, Matt Leniert came with in seconds of winning 3 national titles and his winning percentage will be higher much higher than Tebows. Vince Young also will have a higher winning percentage than Tebow and gave 2 of the greatest bowl performances ever seen including one in possibly the greatest game in football history. Than you have such great college QB as White, Palmer, Wenkie, Ward, and Tommie Frazier many of whom already are locks to have better winning percentages than Tebow. Personally, I think that Ward in 93 was the best single season I have ever seen from a college QB the way he mastered the fast break and Leniert the best college career and as much as I hate to say but Vince Young the best big game performer. Maybe Tim puts together a perfect season and vaults himself there but at this point he is only among the best.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12347435938763672302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-12310616143189816302009-07-29T13:22:56.682-04:002009-07-29T13:22:56.682-04:00Tebow is one of the most outstanding college QBs I...Tebow is one of the most outstanding college QBs I've ever seen. But he's not an NFL QB. Just like pretty much all running QBs in truly "college" systems are never NFL QBs. (And if you don't qualify Tebow as a run-first QB, then we are at fundamental disagreement.) <br /><br />There's a long list of incredibly high-profile running college QBs who, frankly, do not have the requisite skill sets to win a championship in the NFL, from Turner Gill to Kordell Stewart to Eric Crouch to Pat White and all points in between. And while we can cite dual-threat college guys who turned out to be very good NFL QBs, they were all very talented passers at the college level and ultimately cast themselves as pass-first players in the NFL (e.g., Steve Young, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb). <br /><br />Two questions persist about Tebow and the draft. First, the reasonable one: can Tebow be a significant contributor on an NFL team? I think the answer there is yes. He's a great athlete, a winner, and possibly the best short-yardage runner in college football. Is there a FB with more upside? If you wanted to take a risk on a project TE, isn't he your guy? (This assumes that Tebow's willing to switch posiitons, unlike, say, Eric Crouch). <br /><br />Second, the unreasonable one: will an NFL team's brass fall in love with Tebow at QB and pick him high? This is obviously dependent on the combine, but, again, the answer's probably yes. What does Vince Young the NFL prospect have that Tim Tebow the NFL prospect doesn't? Isn't Pat White (second round) the same kind of "we can definitely get this guy 6 plays/game under center and maybe find another way to use him" prospect? Plus, like most exciting athletic types, Tebow is a fan favorite who's going to put butts in seats if he's starting under center. And he's a "face of the team" kind of guy. Those things won't be lost on GMs. Someone will draft him high. I just wonder if he'll bust before he's given a shot at another position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-30686589267886970542009-07-29T12:53:50.674-04:002009-07-29T12:53:50.674-04:00I used to have the same thinking as Jim (above), M...I used to have the same thinking as Jim (above), Mel Kiper, and others.....<br /><br />Until I witnessed the SEC Championship Game and the National Championship Game. <br /><br />He made throws in both of those games that made me change my mind.<br /><br />I think it's just something with about the way he looks back there. He doesn't always look comfortable. His throwing style doesn't look smooth. His feet are borderline terrible at times.<br /><br />Regardless, the kid is one of the greatest competitors ever and I place him at worst among the top 10 players in college football history.<br /><br />I predict he'll get put thru the strainer at the combine and workouts. He'll be rundown by "experts" and then he'll go to the NFL and be what he only knows to be....<br /><br />A winner.Deauxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-20439320109954195712009-07-29T12:21:26.458-04:002009-07-29T12:21:26.458-04:00@Jim
Will the linemen and linebackers really be t...@Jim<br /><br />Will the linemen and linebackers really be that much faster, bigger and stronger? Look at SEC defenses. They're full of NFL players.<br /><br />I think that you're underrating Tebow's throws. He isn't asked to throw deep outs, because it's not necessary in Meyer's system. It's not like Tebow can't sling the ball.Towneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04451312151279298176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-30430072834722515162009-07-29T11:37:10.964-04:002009-07-29T11:37:10.964-04:00Ok, this Tebow love affair is going to far now, to...Ok, this Tebow love affair is going to far now, top 10 pick? I thought my buddy was trying to get me going saying first round pick the other day but this is seriously getting ridiculous now. Am I watching a completely different player than everyone else? The Tebow I have seen is a QB that really only has a couple of throws in his repertoire with out the needed NFL passes like the outs. He has always had pretty bad footwork. Even his noted positives are vastly different than what is seen in the NFL from the QB position, his style of running for example where he is more fullback than burner, can this style even work when the line men and backers and faster, bigger and stronger?<br /><br />Great college QB no doubt but I really just can not see the pro potential let alone top 10 ability.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12347435938763672302noreply@blogger.com