tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post1583514656734996900..comments2024-03-13T03:27:50.582-04:00Comments on Smart Football: The rise and fall of the spread via Purdue's Curtis PainterChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204245083374821812noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-53433669950389753612009-06-07T10:24:19.491-04:002009-06-07T10:24:19.491-04:00While I do agree the spread changed at Purdue over...While I do agree the spread changed at Purdue over time, I do think that getting back to basics and utilizing the offense as it was ran under Brees is the key.<br /><br />The offense changed when we went to Hance, a running threat, and then it changed more when we went to Orton an absolute statue with a big time arm (though we only later learned he had little to no accuracy on his long ball). It changed again when we went to the spread option under Kirsch and then Painter. The great crime there was that we didn't stick with the spread option as it has continued to have great success elsewhere, we merely tried to do it all in one year and while it boosted the running game we all of the sudden forgot how to pass and almost never ran pass plays off the spread option.<br /><br />Beyond that, it seems like later Tiller offenses were built upon a lot of pass patterns intended at hitting receivers running in stide while it seemed like the vast majority of Brees' throws were to WRs standing almost completely still or running horizontally as opposed to vertically. While hitting guys in stride led to more highlight reel plays, those plays really were a very small part of Brees' arsenal as most of the throws were simply move the chains types of throws or 4-5 yard passes that essentially replaced the running game.<br /><br />If we get back to more of a "safe" passing attack and stick to it more consistently while also improving our rushing attack, then we can get back to being an annual bowl team and stay consistently in the upper half of the Big Ten. Don't worry about the damn highlight reel, just keep moving the chains.RRanney1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14061903449636587845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-85965172220139551822009-05-15T04:29:00.000-04:002009-05-15T04:29:00.000-04:00The Colts ended up drafting Painter late. Caldwel...The Colts ended up drafting Painter late. Caldwell stated he wants to keep 3 quarterbacks up from 2 in previous years. I imagine Sorgi will be #2 with Painter learning the offense. Painter should be #2 by 2010 or 2011.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-38866052867172991442009-01-30T15:27:00.000-05:002009-01-30T15:27:00.000-05:00I don't think it's fair to say that the spread off...I don't think it's fair to say that the spread offense has fallen off just because a particular team or teams aren't executing their offense as efficiently. <BR/><BR/>If a team is just flat out better than yours it really doesn't matter what you run on offense you're going to have issues. <BR/><BR/>Missouri last season had one of the most prolific spread attacks yet when they faced Texas and OU they could've been running the west coast offense and it probably wouldn't made a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-17603977980496240902009-01-23T19:32:00.000-05:002009-01-23T19:32:00.000-05:00Iowa has had very good success against Tiller and ...Iowa has had very good success against Tiller and the latter-day offenses by NOT manning up, NOT blitzing, NOT Jamming. Rather, Parker (evidently, also, Ferentz) doesn't believe a college team can execute 10-15 consecutive short plays successfully, much less run that stuff inside the red zone. The spread doesn't work without truly all-world wide-outs who are good enough to out-run well-positioned zone defenders who are not trying to stop the short stuff. A disciplined Cover-2 will give up the yardage but not the points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-74527998678105754922009-01-21T13:00:00.000-05:002009-01-21T13:00:00.000-05:00Interesting read. My (limited) observation of Pain...Interesting read. My (limited) observation of Painter was that, yes, he required more time in the pocket, but also that his decision-making was slow. Passing is best as a timing endeavor, and Painter was not timed up as well as the likes of Brees. That, and the fact that I think Purdue went the way of USC under Lane Kiffin- a vanilla passing game with emphasis on horizontal and vertical stretches, but little oblique stretches and crossing/pick plays.Jon Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16087002514994745333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-71983053737265913392009-01-21T10:31:00.000-05:002009-01-21T10:31:00.000-05:00With Orgeron and Lance Thompson joining Lane Kiffi...With Orgeron and Lance Thompson joining Lane Kiffin at UT, I don't think Chaney will have to anchor recruiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-38412733845837385622009-01-20T22:30:00.000-05:002009-01-20T22:30:00.000-05:00sardonic beholder, The cowboys offense from the 90...sardonic beholder, The cowboys offense from the 90's would be the Air Coryell/Norv Turner/ Ernie Zampese/Joe Gibbs offense, there's a bunch of playbooks floating around the internet... current offense that run that version or style of offense in the NFl would be the Chargers,Cardinals,Ravens and Dolphins,There were more but, a lot of coaches have been let go....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-80655539588319943742009-01-20T20:27:00.000-05:002009-01-20T20:27:00.000-05:00First of all, I love your blog, and i've learned a...First of all, I love your blog, and i've learned alot from it. Second, you touched on it here, but what roots/family tree is that of the 1990's Dallas Cowboys [Aikman, Irvin, Smith] offense? What other offenses could i study that would be similar? Thank you for the direction, if you have the time.dakotapalmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06707278852720652605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-4152543547691416472009-01-20T00:03:00.000-05:002009-01-20T00:03:00.000-05:00Great post. Thanks.Great post. Thanks.squirrelyearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12098250376078894226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15377771.post-91802489231990317732009-01-19T21:42:00.000-05:002009-01-19T21:42:00.000-05:00I agree on Cheney, thought he was on his way up. ...I agree on Cheney, thought he was on his way up. He's been stuck at the base level in the pros, though. I think he's adaptable more to talent than convention, but certainly the spread does work a lot better in PAC-10 type conferences where playing defense is optional. <BR/><BR/>I think he'll be fantastic back in college again at UT, and will probably have to anchor recruiting for a team that includes a crusty pro veteran who I can't see doing a lot of begging of teenagers.Chris Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12735303436738116129noreply@blogger.com